In this episode, Stephen Hurley and Meaghan are in conversation with Dr. Vidya Shah, Assistant Professor Faculty of Education, York University and Jacqueline Lawrence, Equity Advisor for the Ottawa-Carleton District School Board.

The discussion highlights the challenges and groundbreaking potential of nurturing imagination in leadership. We explore how employing imagination can confront systemic barriers, embracing discomfort as a catalyst for transformation and growth.

The conversation touches on the tragic gap between reality and possibility, the birthplace of transformation living in that very tension, and the radical interconnection of social and ecological justice.

Jacqueline Lawrence emphasizes the need to humanize processes and create spaces for potential to flourish, while Vidya Shah reflects on the barriers to, but also the necessity of, joy and play in envisioning a just future.